MPAC Funded Irving
The Observer has delivered, it likes to think, a scoop: The prominent (read - ‘on the telly often’) Islamist Asghar Bukhari, founder of MPAC (Muslim Public Affairs Committe AKA mpacUK), and high-profile Media-endorsed “Muslim spokesman” has admitted donating money to David Irving, Holocaust revisionist and convicted historian.
MPAC identifies itself as part of the British Muslim community, describing itself as the “UK’s leading Muslim civil liberties group, empowering Muslims to focus on non-violent Jihad and political activism”. Originally set up as a web-based monitoring group, MPAC’s declared first mission was to fight the perceived anti-Muslim bias in the media and to redress the balance. However, anyone who has ever read the articles or forum discussions on Asghar Bukhari’s website (I shudder to link to it) in the past will know of the ease with which large amounts of antisemitic literature and images have found its way onto it, almost always copied straight from far right neo-Nazi and antisemitic organisations promoting the idea of a worldwide Zionist conspiracy. It was obvious from their messages on the forums, that regular posters had spent hours poring over the toxic content found on any number of far right European antisemitic websites.
So it seems that it was only a matter of time before a tangible link between MPAC and these organisations would be discovered.
Bukhari confirmed sending the letters in 2000. ‘I had a lot of sympathy for anyone who opposed Israel,’ Bukhari told The Observer said. ‘I wrote letters to anyone who was tough against the Israelis - David Irving, Paul Findley, the PLO.”I don’t feel I have done anything wrong, to be honest. At the time I was of the belief he [Irving] was anti-Zionist, being smeared for nothing more then being anti-Zionist.
Bukhari is bullshitting, of course. Back in 2000, Irving was in the news for taking Deborah Lipstadt to court for libel. A case he lost, but which exposed him as a supercilious antisemite and a racist. Anyone could see that, even an over-zealous “anti-Zionist” like Bukhari.
There is undoubtedly a rich seam of antisemitism that runs through standard Muslim discourse. But it is almost entirely hyperbolic and exaggerated. It is the stupid prejudice that is borne from the baggage of diminished social standing, poor education and an over-reliance on Modernist Quranic commentaries by Muslim falangists. It is very common to find yourself discussing the Jewish control of World Banking, Global Media and American Big Business in over-heated Muslim living rooms over tea and rasmalai anywhere in the UK. But how much of it turns into anti-Jewish violence, pogroms or Jew-bashing incidents by young Pakistani or Bangladeshi men? Muslim prejudices tend to be visceral and as un-nuanced as it gets, but if we’re to be honest, don’t all loosely defined racial demographies (White-European, Chinese, Black-African, Polish, Glaswegian Catholics, Pro-war Jewish intellectuals etc) carry prejudices of one sort or another towards this or that other ethno-religious group, almost to the point of stereotype? To deny this would be to be naíve or mendacious or both. As would the implication that these prejudices represent the sum total of the cultural attitudes of that group.
As far as getting MPAC’s bigotry out in the open, this is excellent news, of course. I’m happy Bukhari’s, or any other Muslim spokesman’s, antisemitic credentials are exposed. It means that from now on, whenever Bukhari is invited to speak on behalf of “British Muslims”, only the media can be blamed for fitting this monkey with a microphone and no one can plead ignorance.
It’s time for us to pull the plug on this.
November 20th, 2006 at 11:19 am
Now watch out for far left groups such as Islamophobia Watch run to Bukhari’s defence and so re-enact a, by now familiar, ritual that has been played out like clockwork in British race/religious politics for the last 5 years.
November 20th, 2006 at 1:36 pm
Observer has delivered but it still called MPAC a muslim civil rights group. Bukhari exposed as a liar he was a liar the first time that i heard of him and his organisation.
Still he has fewer skeletons in his closet than Inayat Bunglawala does he not?
November 20th, 2006 at 2:09 pm
“he was a liar the first time that i heard of him and his organisation”?
The very first time? Your reaction sounds a little irrational Zin.
November 20th, 2006 at 4:32 pm
Not really Sid.
I remember seeing Bukhari and MPAC on a channel four documentary when he was setting up his group and he was saying that he was liberal, secular and in favour of democracy. However when his organisation campaigned against a Pro-war Labour MP Lorna Fitzsimmons his organisation produced an anti-semitic leaflet which he immediately disowned but when Fitzsimmons lost he was in her face crowing over her defeat. An unpleasant fellow and a liar as well.
In truth his support for Irving comes as no surprise.
November 21st, 2006 at 12:09 am
yes, he’s a disagreeable piece of ****.
November 23rd, 2006 at 3:30 pm
In fact, the information available in the media in January 2000 when Irving appealed for funds did not present him as he was post trial (April), and as he is known today. The excuses from MPACUK are indeed pathetic, but Asghar is simply hiding the a more damning truth - that he was ignorant of just about everything to do with the holocaust - i.e. he was/is culturally illiterate! It’s easy to denigrate the ‘horns down’ approach of MPACUK, but no one else is doing anything similar and the group is well intended, whatever you may personally think of Bukhari. The Observer article also contains misinformation about MPACUK.
November 23rd, 2006 at 7:52 pm
Salams Julaybib
The sad thing is that under any other set of circumstances Asghar, with his intelligence, charm and stridency, could be a real asset to Muslims in Britain. Extremism kills.
November 23rd, 2006 at 10:16 pm
Please tell me how the hell did MPAC as an organisation fund David Irving? You are intentionally lied here and you know it.
You state:
“It was obvious from their messages on the forums, that regular posters had spent hours poring over the toxic content found on any number of far right European antisemitic websites.”
Are the comments expressed here automatically yours? MPACUK have a clear cut policy:
Have a read:
“Comments posted on this forum are the responsibility of the author and do not reflect the position of MPACUK, nor can MPACUK be held accountable for these statements.”
Why are you lieing for? Has your hatred become so vile of the Muuslims that you resort to lies, smears and a load of bullshit?
November 23rd, 2006 at 10:31 pm
Utbah
MPAC have a history of anti-semitism and Bukhari and MPAC are one and the same. Therefore MPAC fund Irving is fair comment and accurate.
On another matter your defence of Bukhari is frankly desperate. If anyone is smearing anyone it is you. How about some evidence to back up your argument instead of saying smear or islamophobia.
November 23rd, 2006 at 10:41 pm
Show me the History of this so called “Anti-Semitism”. Define to me what exactly is Anti-Semitism.
Where do you draw the line between Anti-Semitism & Anti-Zionism? Are those who are sick of Israel’s massacre of children “Anti-Semitism”?
On the issue of Asghar & MPAC are the same. How is that so? I would like you to provide evidance for once.
November 23rd, 2006 at 10:56 pm
“Define to me what exactly is Anti-Semitism.”
I only debate with intelligent people. If you do not know what Anti-semitism is then there is little point in debating the issue.
Bukhari was supporting David Irving a Holocaust denier as he was taking Deborah Lipstadt and penguin books to court. Bukharis words let slip his support for Irvings ideology; In one email Bukhari tells Irving;
“‘You may feel like you are on your own but rest assured many people are with you in your fight for the Truth.’ Bukhari pledges to make a donation of £60 to Irving’s fighting fund and says that he has asked ‘a few of my colleagues to send some in too’. He also offers to send Irving a book, They Dare to Speak Out, by Paul Findley, a former US Senator, who has attacked his country’s close relationship with Israel. Bukhari says Findley ‘has suffered like you in trying to expose certain falsehoods perpetrated by the Jews’.”
Sadly you have outed yourself as a Holocaust denier.
November 23rd, 2006 at 11:14 pm
ROFL - Now, I’m “a Holocaust denier” and you only debate with “intelligent people”.
You can try to stifle the debate with your false accusations. This is your biggest weapon, smear smear and more smear.
When the questioning gets tough you resort to smear, when Israel is facing a PR disaster smear on and on.
On the issue of Anti-Semitism, Zionist’s define it as something else and some Jews define it as something else.
Let’s take your word that Asghar is “Anti-Semitic”. Have you read “They Dare to Speak Out”, from your “intelligent” response I take it you haven’t. A whole chapter condemning anti Semitism and differentiating it from anti Zionism. If Asghar was backing a known anti Semite, why send him a book that is effectively condemning the man you are supporting?
I take Asghar Bukhari’s word for it. Like I stated before on this site, When Israel bombed the hell out of sleeping children you took the word of Israel as a “technical fault”, you were not condemning that. Because Asghar Bukhari condemns that and speaks out against Israel’s policies he is automatically labeled as an Anti-Semitic.
Is that all you got for the smear campaign?
November 23rd, 2006 at 11:57 pm
Utbah, there have been worrying levels of antisemitic material on the MPAC website for many months now. Most of it posted by Bukhari himself and by registered members. This Irving link is not the first indication that Bukhari has fallen into the trap of distorting anti-Zionism with antisemitism. The blundering lies they have issued to distance themselves from Irving are laughable.
I’m against Israel’s human rights abuses and its record of crimes against humanity towards the Palestinians and the disproportionate use of force towards Arab civilians in principle but do not deny Israel’s rights as a nation state to protect its own people. Here are my posts in protest of the Lebanese bombings.
November 24th, 2006 at 12:24 am
There is this Pre-sumption that Asghar himself is placing these “Anti-Semitic” material on the website, there is no proof whatsoever provided just heresy.
“The blundering lies they have issued to distance themselves from Irving are laughable.”
In your eyes if this was an honest mistake, what could have justified this?
Again, no one has come forward and showed me any solid proof whatsoever that MPACUK or Asghar Bukhari is Anti-Semitic.
Show me these allegations of Anti-Semitic and I will ring MPAC myself and get an explanation. There are ALWAYS two sides to a story, but unfortunatly in this case because of your hatred towards MPAC & Asghar Bukhari you do not care about the other side.
“I’m against Israel’s human rights abuses and its record of crimes against humanity towards the Palestinians and the disproportionate use of force towards Arab civilians in principle but do not deny Israel’s rights as a nation state to protect its own people. Here are my posts in protest of the Lebanese bombings.”
So you believe that Israel is not obliged under international law to allow the right of return for the Palestinian people who still have keys to their homes inside Israel.
Tell, how exactly is Israel “protecting” it’s people? Protecting exactly from who? Little kids in their sleeping cots?
November 24th, 2006 at 2:12 am
Utbah, if you’re going to defend MPAC and Bukhari of the charges of antisemitism, the ball is actually in your court to argue that the material that has been regularly posted by Asghar and his friends on on the MPAC website isn’t antisemitic. And in order to do that you’re going to have to take a page from Asghar’s book and use the ‘I don’t know what antisemitism is because I’m culturally illiterate’ line of defence.
November 25th, 2006 at 10:09 am
I think that it’s laughable that anybody takes MPAC seriously, apart from a few gullible docu-producers out to stir controversy in British Muslim communities. MPAC’s anti-semetic Israel obsession is there for all to see on their website. Most politicised Muslims commenting on Palestine show subconscious and casual anti-semitism’. You know that you’re on to a turkey when a website continually rabbits on about ‘Zionism’, ‘Islamophobia’, ‘Conspiracies’,’smear,”Islamophobia’, ‘Jihad’, ‘Brothers in Palestine’ & ‘Islamophobia’.Sadly, these deluded people actually think that they are doing something good for British Muslims!
ps. Usbat, if Zionism (political/nationalistic Judaism) is so evil and condemnable, what are your thoughts on political Islam (nationalistic/supremacist Islam)?
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